Harvester Gas Tank location moved to under rear seats & batteries moved to front (tow rating benefit) ⛽️

[Chuckles]

Does anybody happen to have even a rough measurement of the dimensions from the cargo floor to the ceiling for the Terra? Additionally, the measurement from the folded down second row seat to the ceiling? I have a rather large dog and I need a minimum height in order for me to even consider a Scout. I know that moving the gas tank as well as that four-cylinder engine is going to determine at least some of that equation. What is ironic is that the current Honda Fit (aptly named) that I have right now has 39 inches of height (even though it is a very small car) with the rear seat seats folded completely flat. To make that happen in my Jeep JL, I had to not only remove the rear seat (which took about two minutes) but also build a platform that created a level surface from the cargo area to the rear of the front seats. To make it happen in the sixth generation Bronco, it was a much more involved process in which I had to remove the rear seat, upper and lower sections, as well as retain the wiring in order to keep a warning message from the rear seat seatbelt appearing...and then build a platform that leveled the space all the way to the rear of the front seats. I was considering a Grenadier, but that vehicle also has to have a rear seat removal and then some kind of platform built to get an entirely flat area. It is similar to the Rivian because it is relatively short from the cargo area to the ceiling, even though it is on the larger side overall. I can't figure out why auto manufacturers can't figure out something so simple as a completely flat cargo area...thus far, other than my Fit, the only vehicles I've ever found that are tall enough inside, and that have a completely flat rear area are the Volkswagen Atlas and the older Land Rover LR 3s and LR 4s. I'm hoping that Scout will take a cue from the Volkswagen Atlas and make a rear seat that does in fact fold completely flat and that has the same level as the cargo area.... but with the Scout batteries, and the gas tank, and the generator, I'm wondering if already it might be too short.

Scout hasn't shown the production interiors yet. It's probably best worth waiting until they do. Jamie from Scout mentioned the other day the Traveler rear seats don't even fold down. We still haven't seen what the production bench will be like. We all have lots of questions. Unfortunately, we're just going to have to wait.

 

[chopsui]

Scout hasn't shown the production interiors yet. It's probably best worth waiting until they do. Jamie from Scout mentioned the other day the Traveler rear seats don't even fold down. We still haven't seen what the production bench will be like. We all have lots of questions. Unfortunately, we're just going to have to wait.

Don't fold down in the prototype.

 

[chopsui]

Does anybody happen to have even a rough measurement of the dimensions from the cargo floor to the ceiling for the Terra? Additionally, the measurement from the folded down second row seat to the ceiling? I have a rather large dog and I need a minimum height in order for me to even consider a Scout. I know that moving the gas tank as well as that four-cylinder engine is going to determine at least some of that equation. What is ironic is that the current Honda Fit (aptly named) that I have right now has 39 inches of height (even though it is a very small car) with the rear seat seats folded completely flat. To make that happen in my Jeep JL, I had to not only remove the rear seat (which took about two minutes) but also build a platform that created a level surface from the cargo area to the rear of the front seats. To make it happen in the sixth generation Bronco, it was a much more involved process in which I had to remove the rear seat, upper and lower sections, as well as retain the wiring in order to keep a warning message from the rear seat seatbelt appearing...and then build a platform that leveled the space all the way to the rear of the front seats. I was considering a Grenadier, but that vehicle also has to have a rear seat removal and then some kind of platform built to get an entirely flat area. It is similar to the Rivian because it is relatively short from the cargo area to the ceiling, even though it is on the larger side overall. I can't figure out why auto manufacturers can't figure out something so simple as a completely flat cargo area...thus far, other than my Fit, the only vehicles I've ever found that are tall enough inside, and that have a completely flat rear area are the Volkswagen Atlas and the older Land Rover LR 3s and LR 4s. I'm hoping that Scout will take a cue from the Volkswagen Atlas and make a rear seat that does in fact fold completely flat and that has the same level as the cargo area.... but with the Scout batteries, and the gas tank, and the generator, I'm wondering if already it might be too short.

Just FYI, the 2nd and 3rd row seats in the R1S fold completely flat.

LR defender seats in later models fold flat as well because you can remove the lower cushions.

 

[ScoutRik]

Just FYI, the 2nd and 3rd row seats in the R1S fold completely flat.

LR defender seats in later models fold flat as well because you can remove the lower cushions.

I cancelled my reservation on a Rivian because I realized there was not enough height in the cargo area for my dog...sigh. I understand a lot could change with the current nuances in the Scout from prototype to production, but I doubt the height will fluctuate much. Hoping to get a ballpark figure on that from anyone who may have measured that distance in person.

 

[CornBinder]

With Davis Dam testing for towing, the weight matters obviously.

But in typical use cases, the aerodynamics are much more important than the weight.

I have no worries about the motor being able to keep up. For long towing, I’ll leave with a battery in a high state of charge, which gives about an hour of buffer. The battery will also be charged during liquid fueling stops, bathroom , and more.

The situation where I see the drivetrain theoretically not keeping up is while towing is a long day of driving into the wind, rather than climbs.

Still, it doesn’t concern me.

In that rare/never circumstance, I’ll draft a semi, slow down, etc.

So what's my tall rectangular brick going to do to EV range?

I have a bad feeling...

 

[6-ScoutFamily]

So what's my tall rectangular brick going to do to EV range?

I have a bad feeling...

That would be that ”…giant sucking sound…”

 

[TwoJacks]

With Davis Dam testing for towing, the weight matters obviously.

But in typical use cases, the aerodynamics are much more important than the weight.

I have no worries about the motor being able to keep up. For long towing, I’ll leave with a battery in a high state of charge, which gives about an hour of buffer. The battery will also be charged during liquid fueling stops, bathroom , and more.

The situation where I see the drivetrain theoretically not keeping up is while towing is a long day of driving into the wind, rather than climbs.

Still, it doesn’t concern me.

In that rare/never circumstance, I’ll draft a semi, slow down, etc.

I have an EV currently and there aren’t that many chargers at gas stations. Hardly any at all. You’ll have to fill up at a gas station and then go and find a charger unless you just plan on running on gas from that point on.

 

[TwoJacks]

So what's my tall rectangular brick going to do to EV range?

I have a bad feeling...

Same thing it’ll do to gas range. Cut it by half.

 

[Bkenyon53]

I have an EV currently and there aren’t that many chargers at gas stations. Hardly any at all. You’ll have to fill up at a gas station and then go and find a charger unless you just plan on running on gas from that point on.

I've noticed that Nouria stations have been installing EV Chargers. 3 near me have added them when converting from the gas station that was bought out.

 

[TwoJacks]

Yes, some stations are starting to install chargers. Took them long enough. But they still won't allow you to fill up gas or electric at the same location. You'll have to fill up and then move over to a charger, and unfortunately, that will usually involve decoupling the trailer because so few chargers are set up like gas pumps which allow drive through filling.

 

[Bkenyon53]

Yes, some stations are starting to install chargers. Took them long enough. But they still won't allow you to fill up gas or electric at the same location. You'll have to fill up and then move over to a charger, and unfortunately, that will usually involve decoupling the trailer because so few chargers are set up like gas pumps which allow drive through filling.

In all fairness, it takes a lot longer to charge a battery than fill a tank. Parking in front of a gas pump to charge would prevent the gas pumps from being used. Charging and filling at the same time would only really be applicable for PHEV and those with Range extenders.

Might be easier to charge and bring a jerrycan to fill at the tank and then transfer to your tank while you're charging.

 

[TwoJacks]

Filling a 20 gallon tank with a jerry can? Sounds like fun. Plus nothing like handling flammable liquid near a high voltage charger. Maybe re-think that one.

 

[Bkenyon53]

Filling a 20 gallon tank with a jerry can? Sounds like fun. Plus nothing like handling flammable liquid near a high voltage charger. Maybe re-think that one.

Didn't you just bring up the charger and pump in the same spot?
I was literally responding to your post regarding that.

 

[CornBinder]

Same thing it’ll do to gas range. Cut it by half.

Not quite by half, but when you do run out, it's only a few minutes at any gas station and your on the road again!

No hunting and pecking for some juice in hopes the expensive powering device works or the copper charge line hasn't been stolen.

 

[brp]

The engine can deliver 60 kwh per hour. If you got the same efficiency as in the video you posted, 0.72 miles per kwh, the engine cannot keep up. Put a different way, a 60 kw engine can handle a towing load that drops the average efficiency down to 1 mile per kwh and not lower. The tow rating will be designed to reflect this constraint.

Put yet a different way, if you tried to tow something that got you 0.72 miles per kwh, you would chew through a 100% charge in your battery and go into turtle mode after around 100 - 125 miles depending on final AER/battery size. If Scout puts a bigger engine in, it will do more, but based on current released specs, this truck is not designed for that type of load. It is designed around a ~ 1 mile/kwh or better while towing type of load.

Can you show more math on this claim. I’m struggling to understand but not disagreeing.

Assuming leaving with 70kwh in battery and range extender producing 60kw, driving 70mph and getting 1 mile/kwh (I know you cited .74)….My numbers put you at 7 hours of driving. A 10kwh/hr deficit, a 70kwh battery equals 7 hours of driving.

At .74 miles/kWh you would have a deficit of 27.5 kWh/h, 70kwh/27.5kwh/h, equals 2.54 hours of heaving towing. That is

It’s worth noting that you’d still have 60kw to tow with even when the battery is exhausted. Enough to limp along but far from ideal. You could also park and “charge” for a while.

It’s crazy that 1 mile/kWh yields 7 hours of theoretical towing and .75mile/kwh yields only 2.5 hours, a huge difference.