Scout has 150K+ reservations now. 85% are for Harvester EREV Hybrid

[joewilk45]

How many reservations back out if scout doesn't win court case and VW dealers win are you still buyers ???

 

[Andy_H]

How many reservations back out if scout doesn't win court case and VW dealers win are you still buyers ???

If they do a direct Factory Sale I am still in. Flying/driving there and picking up the car, beats dealing with any dealer for me.
I'll only reluctantly do dealer, if it is all online, no markup and process on day of pickup: Give the check and get the keys/car. Outta here.

 

[colinnwn]

I second the reluctant dealer customer, but I'm not quite so hard core. If I can place the order online with verified pricing, even if the official sale has to happen in person, there are no "market adjustments" and they sell it at MSRP, and they can try to sell me some optional upgrades, warranty, or their financing, but unless the deal is compelling it's a hard no... I would still be willing reluctantly, to deal with a dealer. They won't really like me as a customer though.

When we bought my wife's last car I had called a dealer to see if they had a barely used car in stock and available because it was a 45 minute drive. They said yes. We immediately left. When we got there they told me they had just loaded it onto a truck for a dealer transfer, I made a pretty loud stink on the middle of the showroom floor. Unfortunately my wife found another car in 5 minutes she was interested in, and I was not happy about encouraging their behavior by entertaining anything else from them. But she really liked it, and I was a jerk for the entire transaction. That's just to say if it's my car, and it would be, I don't care how much I love it, if they mess around with me, I won't buy.

 

[FL4Xe]

If they do a direct Factory Sale I am still in. Flying/driving there and picking up the car, beats dealing with any dealer for me.
I'll only reluctatntly do dealer, if it is all online, no markup and process on a of pickup: Give the check and get the keys/car. Outta here.

I fully agree. My local dealers of all brands won’t budge on price. I’ve purchased several new vehicles well outside this area because the markup is so bad that even flying and driving it back or having a vehicle shipped still saved thousands of dollars. Our local dealers priced the VW Buzz $20k over MSRP and would not budge and another priced the Kia Carnival $10k over MSRP when it came out. There is no value added to their pinstriping, “rust protection”, and all of the other stuff they pretend to put on plus spending hours declining all of the add-ons in finance which they push even if paying cash.

 

[joewilk45]

They ought to do a poll of current reservationist and see who's in or out and they can use that in their court fight that they lost 40 % of there reservations once dealership purchase was mandatory who's in and who's out ??

 

[Roger 123]

How many reservations back out if scout doesn't win court case and VW dealers win are you still buyers ???

That’s a great question. We were Bronco reservation holders and everything went perfectly with the dealer we chose for delivery but the horror stories out there were insane.
Even though you reserved and ordered the vehicle the dealer owned it and could do whatever they wanted including huge mark-up’s when the vehicle arrived.

People were pissed and we had many horrible google review campaigns against shady dealers.

I’m not emotionally attached to Scout like I was for the Bronco and would probably walk but would be pretty upset. The dealer game is such a joke, get a good one and all is well, get a bad one and they can make your life a living hell. It seems as they can go out of their way to be horrible and no one really cares they just sort of expect it.

My two best car buying experiences were with small independent Ford dealers.

 

[SkipW]

The 500 Mile range won't be as much of a factor as 10 minute charging.

In the beginning before I knew a lot about the differences between the EREV and the BEV I reserved an EREV. I forgot but for a minute that part of the desirability of a BEV was the simplicity of the design. In years past I have didn’t want a hybrid because of the eventual cost of maintaining two propulsion systems and the increased software complexity of monitoring and coordinating of those two Systems. Think about it, as the car approaches 3-4 years old the battery degradation will have you at a range down to 110 -120 mile. For me I’ll be charging every day to keep driving in EV mode. Whats the value of an EV that can now only go 100+ miles and I have to charge everyday, eventually new battery technology will be even better and the value of your “60K” purchase will look like that of an old model S Tesla. I vote for a car getting 350 miles on a charge and simpler mechanics. I’m not a back country kind of adventurer that wants to get off the grid for a time. I do see the value of the EREV for those that do however

 

[Bkenyon53]

In the beginning before I knew a lot about the differences between the EREV and the BEV I reserved an EREV. I forgot but for a minute that part of the desirability of a BEV was the simplicity of the design. In years past I have didn’t want a hybrid because of the eventual cost of maintaining two propulsion systems and the increased software complexity of monitoring and coordinating of those two Systems. Think about it, as the car approaches 3-4 years old the battery degradation will have you at a range down to 110 -120 mile. For me I’ll be charging every day to keep driving in EV mode. Whats the value of an EV that can now only go 100+ miles and I have to charge everyday, eventually new battery technology will be even better and the value of your “60K” purchase will look like that of an old model S Tesla. I vote for a car getting 350 miles on a charge and simpler mechanics. I’m not a back country kind of adventurer that wants to get off the grid for a time. I do see the value of the EREV for those that do however

The same argument for the new battery tech would negatively affect a true BEV more than the Harvester.

 

[joewilk45]

Scout delivers a Full EV with 400 plus miles and fast charging with all latest safety features nicely equipped for 65 to 70 k ( 4 yr 60 k 10 yr battery drive train warranty) they now compete with Hyundai , Tesla , Rivian , Volvo , GM , Ford & Jeep ) they would own the market if they can deliver what they're showing us

 

[joewilk45]

More I read scout should have came to market as a full EV company then integrated EREV's they wouldn't be litigating against dealers because dealers are claiming they aren't a full EV corporation therefore not qualifying for direct to consumer sales model

 

[joewilk45]

Battery degradation of early EV models are showing batteries lasting well over 200 k miles and loosing 20 to 22% at that point now super charging and level two home charging also adds to longevity but in most cases batteries will outperform and outlast Ice engines

 

[joewilk45]

And new EV models are being constructed from frame up meaning they are now incorporating the battery pack as a structural member
Also allowing less weight of adding pack separately. Imagine removing a rocker panel and sliding out a battery pack for maintenance or cell repair sit back and enjoy amazing engineering is coming our way I'm pretty excited