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Rivian wins Scout looses I guess VW figured full EV buyers can go to Rivian's CPO lot all those leased Rivians can be bought for a discount they have a plan
 

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I think the answer to the questions about what powertrain Scout builds when lie in the recent article RE the rapidly inflating price of building the factory ($3B?).

Build what the customer orders while maximizing cash flow ASAP (including a parallel production line for an Audi SUV if that helps pay the bills). The OEM’s are bleeding cash from their bail on EV’s and the number of failed EV startups continues to grow.

Tesla is partially bailing out of EV’s after the loss of the backdoor cash payments for fuel economy credits that they have sucking up for years.

Good business decisions are not always popular decisions. I am in on the Scout concept. I may wander off and dabble with other EV’s in the short term. IF Scout can fulfill the expectations they have built up I am pretty sure that I will be taking delivery of a Traveler BEV when my turn comes.
 

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What you stated about Audi being added to production line then you concede scout will be through dealership networks of VW dealers ?
 

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Tesla didn't take that approach and look where they are. Scout in my eyes should be the new I phone the unveiled masterpiece of engineering but when you really look at it it's the same old CEO's calling the shots but now their wearing Hoka's it saddens me we're not going to see an extraordinary EV version from Scout I also think they are going to see many change to EV versions once they all clarify the Erev is 350 and battery is 150
 

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What you stated about Audi being added to production line then you concede scout will be through dealership networks of VW dealers ?
NOT at all conceding pivot to VW dealer distribution. Graz has emerged as a vehicle assembler for multiple manufacturers in Europe. No reason Scout factory floor space and even drive trains can’t be shared (ala Honda Prologue/GM) for a price.

Not sure $60k Scouts are going to cash flow without collaboration at the same time that VW et al sales are collapsing in China and are stagnant (at best) in other markets.

IF it all goes really bad Geely or an Indian manufacturer will pick up the VW pieces and be the company manufacturing Scouts regardless of dealer affiliation.

I guess a buy out by an international investor might actually cleanly cut the string from VW dealers (the hard way!).
 

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Dealership association lawsuits are based on tying VW tentacles to scout and their association dealers Audi , Porsche etc. answer me this who you betting wins this Scout or Dealerships who are currently donating to senators running for reelection this is almost like saying the starting quarterback back is out for New England patriots in superbowl what's their chances not to mention Trumps son in laws father who he pardon owns large stakes in dealerships my money is on dealerships
 

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We know that when the Scouts were first announced and reservations opened, a vast majority chose the Harvester option because it truly sounded like the best of both worlds.
As more information started to trickle out, I think a lot of reservation holders were more on the fence about deciding between Harvester or full BEV (Me among them). Many even changed their reservation to drop the Harvester option, but I wonder how many did not? I know, I myself did not change my reservation even though I was starting to lean heavily toward full BEV. So, let's say late 2026/early2027, we get more concrete specs and pricing, and Harvester is a much more expensive option than expected, and also reduces performance more than expected. Reservations holders make a mass exodus away from Harvester (or worse, stick with it to get their trucks earlier even though they would prefer to not have the option). Now we are nearer a 50/50 split, or even 60-40 BEV. Will there be another last-minute pivot by VW/Scout or will it be too late?
I'm in that camp, I reserved a Harvester but now really have no interest in that option but never changed my reservation.
 

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That's why we always have a plan B it's our money and only we decide who gets it. Will it be Scout , Rivian , GM , Porsche Volvo , polestar there are many options Scout needs us more than we need Scout
That's an interesting thought. How many people reserved due to the nostalgia of the Scout brand and how they nailed the look to past Scouts vs. people that reserved due it being an EV and any ole EV will fill the transportation need?
 

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That's an interesting thought. How many people reserved due to the nostalgia of the Scout brand and how they nailed the look to past Scouts vs. people that reserved due it being an EV and any ole EV will fill the transportation need?
Both for me.

Loved the IH design of the past plus the EREV feature makes it a perfect fit for me.

Coming from 3 EVs, I'd say the EREV will be better for longer range driving.

Retiring in a few months so looking forward to more relaxed trips.
 

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Then EV is way to go my wife flys while me and dog drive with super cruise it's pure heaven she complains normally with extra charging stops even more so she flys we drive never going back no fighting on trips to Florida priceless
 

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Have to be right in the middle, not to rushed but also not late to the EV game.

Sometimes you can do everything right and fate or circumstance still gets you.

 

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They should have this for spouses see if they match the car
 

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It's not "poor data." They aren't basing these numbers on polls. They're basing them on actual pre-order deposits. It's literally the best data you could possibly get at this point.
Yes, but many people placed their pre-order deposits before fully understanding how the harvester works. (Including myself). Initially it sounded like a slam dunk to get the harvester with 500 miles range vs the full EV with 300 range. Once people understand that the harvester model only gets 150 mile battery range, with 350 from the gas generator, some percentage of people will change their decision. Reading these threads, there is still some confusion. I initially placed my deposit on the harvester for that reason.
 

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As did I but once the owner of an EV with 310 miles of range twice a year we exceed our range on long trip back and forth to our second home and once the range increases from battery development Erev will only make sense for towing and commercial vehicles in my opinion
 
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