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Yeah my Lightning was advertised as having 300 miles of "estimated" range. And in summer it did. But now it's down to 250 per charge, and when we get to January I bet it's closer to 200. Cold weather and BEVs don't play well together.

So if you take this Jeep Recon, at "up to 250 miles of range" and put it in a January snow storm, you're looking at 175 miles of range per charge if you're lucky.

And that's for $67k START price, with horrendous double whammy resale value because it's a Stellantis product AND it's an EV, and we haven't even started talking trim levels or options. Are they kidding??
 

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Yeah my Lightning was advertised as having 300 miles of "estimated" range. And in summer it did. But now it's down to 250 per charge, and when we get to January I bet it's closer to 200. Cold weather and BEVs don't play well together.

So if you take this Jeep Recon, at "up to 250 miles of range" and put it in a January snow storm, you're looking at 175 miles of range per charge if you're lucky.

And that's for $67k START price, with horrendous double whammy resale value because it's a Stellantis product AND it's an EV, and we haven't even started talking trim levels or options. Are they kidding??
On your range figures, I'm EV stupid but is that 100% to 0% charge or 80-20 (which is what I understand to be the "best" charging routine, I could be way off on this though)?

I see these range numbers all the time and am never sure if it's for a 20-80-20 charge routine or are people saying I get X range but are using 100-0 numbers? Or does it just depend on who you're talking to?
 

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On your range figures, I'm EV stupid but is that 100% to 0% charge or 80-20 (which is what I understand to be the "best" charging routine, I could be way off on this though)?

I see these range numbers all the time and am never sure if it's for a 20-80-20 charge routine or are people saying I get X range but are using 100-0 numbers? Or does it just depend on who you're talking to?
I'm talking at 95-100% charge. (Ford intentionally holds back a small part of the actual capacity of the battery so that a 100% charge is not really 100% of the capacity. They do this for the health of the battery.)

Won't surprise me one bit to see Recon owners complaining of 150 miles of range on a full charge in the middle of winter.
 

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Don't worry about this, it's a Stellantis product, they are all garbage now.
 

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That's how I bought my '15 GC, can get some great deals on lease returns. You just have to shop around and be patient to find one with a good service history. Mine had 26K and still had the plastic covering in the cargo area.

I want to buy a "newer" one but as you said you cannot get a proper transfer case in all but the highest end models and I don't want 20" wheels and "rubber band" tires on a car I'm going to do some mild off-roading with.
Well a lot of searching over the last months and it paid off!

I found a one owner with no past issues 2022 Jeep Grand Cherokee Trailhawk in my desired color of Silver/Black with all the options and only 24K miles coming off a 3 year lease that was within my budget at about 53% of original MSRP (That's how I've always bought my Porsches too). Just completed my first 400 mile trip. What a wonderfully optioned rig! It has Quadra–Trac II® 4WD System (so great off-road and flat towable), Advanced ProTech Group II, Luxury Tech Group III, Dual–Pane Panoramic Sunroof, Front Passenger Interactive Display, and Uconnect® 5 Nav with 10.1–Inch Touch Screen Display. The only other option that I am aware of that it doesn't have is the 950W stereo upgrade, but not something this 66 year old needs like I might of wanted in my younger years.

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This will meet my infrequent towing needs with a 1,000lb. cushion over my maximum trailer axle load. It's going to take me a while to come up to speed with all the technology packed into this rig. It is by far the nicest most advanced technology packed vehicle I have owned. And I thought my 2022 Hyundai Santa Cruz was advanced with it's safety, multiple lane features and backup camera (my first vehicle with one).

Now I wait and see if the Scout Traveler EREV is all I hope it will be. In the mean time I tow and wheel in comfort. :like::like:
 

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Well a lot of searching over the last months and it paid off!

I found a one owner with no past issues 2022 Jeep Grand Cherokee Trailhawk in my desired color of Silver/Black with all the options and only 24K miles coming off a 3 year lease that was within my budget at about 53% of original MSRP (That's how I've always bought my Porsches too). Just completed my first 400 mile trip. What a wonderfully optioned rig! It has Quadra–Trac II® 4WD System (so great off-road and flat towable), Advanced ProTech Group II, Luxury Tech Group III, Dual–Pane Panoramic Sunroof, Front Passenger Interactive Display, and Uconnect® 5 Nav with 10.1–Inch Touch Screen Display. The only other option that I am aware of that it doesn't have is the 950W stereo upgrade, but not something this 66 year old needs like I might of wanted in my younger years.

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This will meet my infrequent towing needs with a 1,000lb. cushion over my maximum trailer axle load. It's going to take me a while to come up to speed with all the technology packed into this rig. It is by far the nicest most advanced technology packed vehicle I have owned. And I thought my 2022 Hyundai Santa Cruz was advanced with it's safety, multiple lane features and backup camera (my first vehicle with one).

Now I wait and see if the Scout Traveler EREV is all I hope it will be. In the mean time I tow and wheel in comfort. :like::like:
Nice find, congrats!
 

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Lol, Jeep a rival of anything!

Well, except a tow truck and a repair shop.
Well, at 202,000 miles my 2020 Grand Cherokee had seen ONE repair, a water pump. So the tow truck drivers are going to starve to death if they're waiting on a call from a Jeep owner.

I've had dozens of Jeeps, driving a new one right now, and little to zero issues with them. Can't say that for all the other brands I've owned.
 
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