EREV F-150 Lightning Announced - new Terra competitor

[joewilk45]

Here's why EV's will be the future of automotive industry once batteries are able to deliver 500 plus miles of range it becomes a game changer people now only need to charge once a week for daily driving.

https://carbuzz.com/the-latest-solid-state-battery-developments/

 

[bababooey]

Here's why EV's will be the future of automotive industry once batteries are able to deliver 500 plus miles of range it becomes a game changer people now only need to charge once a week for daily driving.

https://carbuzz.com/the-latest-solid-state-battery-developments/

I suppose if you post enough links it will be true...

 

[PMurphy]

I love my V8’s and diesel trucks BUT change is coming. Mercedes Benz is an early mainstream (non-Chinese)adopter of solid state batteries. They have the built in profit margin to adapt more expensive technology. The performance advantages of EV’s are obvious to me. When battery technology matures beyond the current gen 1 stage demand will switch to EV and American auto manufacturers will be playing catch up again (ie small car demand after 70’s fuel crisis which brought Japanese cars to the US market they they now own).

The power grid is already an under significant pressure and will have to improve in the next 10 years for many reasons. In rural areas of Wisconsin Tesla charging stations have been popping up along the interstates and main state highways starting about 10 years ago. I am sure there were lines at times during the Christmas travel season (another reason to travel off peak besides avoiding idiot drivers trying to squeeze into fast lane after speeding up on your right.)

Now large gas station chains are starting to install EV chargers which will provide the next big push in additional capacity.

in the end I just want my Traveler with a decent battery. Will keep my ICE vehicles because I like them BUT will enjoy the benefits of full EV for a lot of my routine driving.

 

[joewilk45]

Once you drive an EV it's hard not to see that it's the future of automotive industry. Ice will always coexist but EV and battery technology will drive the automobile industry not turbo charged 4 cylinder engines. But as we see on this and all car forums the dinosaurs just can't accept it.

 

[WXman]

We understand what you're getting at but you really are using the word "inefficient" wrong. The lightning is more efficient than an equivalent ICE vehicle, full stop. The cost of electricity is a completely separate issue.

.....and if it were more efficient it wouldn't need as much electricity, so it's not a separate issue at all.

 

[bababooey]

.....and if it were more efficient it wouldn't need as much electricity, so it's not a separate issue at all.

I'm sorry, I don't know how to dumb it down enough for you to understand so I asked AI to explain it to you...

They are mixing up efficiency with cost (or just the size of the electricity number).

You're looking at that 50 kWh number and going "damn that's a lot of electricity" so it must be inefficient.

But here's the thing: a gas F-150 at 17 mpg uses almost 6 gallons to go 100 miles. Each gallon has the energy of about 34 kWh, so that's over 200 kWh worth of energy going in.

The Lightning (at 2 miles per kWh) uses only 50 kWh from the wall for those same 100 miles.

The EV is literally using a quarter of the energy to do the exact same job. That's straight-up more efficient.

The gas truck is swallowing four times more energy overall, we just measure it in gallons instead of kWh so the number doesn't look as big.

Efficiency = how much total energy it actually takes to move the truck. EV wins huge.

Cost is a totally separate thing (and usually cheaper with electricity anyway). That's the mix-up right there.

 

[joewilk45]

https://www.autoblog.com/news/dealers-take-another-hit-in-the-direct-to-consumer-sales-fight
Funny how they get approval in the state that has highest EV ownership and sales but they're not offering an advanced EV model ??? Or are they ???

 

[WXman]

I'm sorry, I don't know how to dumb it down enough for you to understand so I asked AI to explain it to you...

They are mixing up efficiency with cost (or just the size of the electricity number).

You're looking at that 50 kWh number and going "damn that's a lot of electricity" so it must be inefficient.

But here's the thing: a gas F-150 at 17 mpg uses almost 6 gallons to go 100 miles. Each gallon has the energy of about 34 kWh, so that's over 200 kWh worth of energy going in.

The Lightning (at 2 miles per kWh) uses only 50 kWh from the wall for those same 100 miles.

The EV is literally using a quarter of the energy to do the exact same job. That's straight-up more efficient.

The gas truck is swallowing four times more energy overall, we just measure it in gallons instead of kWh so the number doesn't look as big.

Efficiency = how much total energy it actually takes to move the truck. EV wins huge.

Cost is a totally separate thing (and usually cheaper with electricity anyway). That's the mix-up right there.

I think I made it explicity clear from the beginning that COST is what I am talking about. COST is what people care about. Nobody gives a rip how "efficient" a truck is. What everybody wants to know is "how much is this going to COST me?" Cost cost cost.

 

[WXman]

Once you drive an EV it's hard not to see that it's the future of automotive industry. Ice will always coexist but EV and battery technology will drive the automobile industry not turbo charged 4 cylinder engines. But as we see on this and all car forums the dinosaurs just can't accept it.

Apparently you've never needed a truck to tow a trailer more than 200 miles, and you've never had to find a charge station that is laid out in a way that you can get the truck with trailer close enough for the cord to reach without pissing off the rest of the general public. And you've never had to try and appease a wife who doesn't understand why we have to sit here for 50 minutes waiting for the truck to charge up just so that we can drive one more hour with the camper in tow only to stop and do it all again.

EV will never be the future of the TRUCK/SUV industry. At least not until the technology totally changes, charge stations become as numerous as gas stations, and charge stations are laid out in a drive-thur format.

 

[joewilk45]

We have two years before you'll know the real cost and how far it will travel and on what drive trains.

 

[joewilk45]

I don't think currently EV's are good for towing but I do think they're great for personal and family transportation and especially as a second vehicle or one you leave at a second home. Currently 300 + miles of range and horsepower they put out along with all latest technology their hard to beat. I don't see myself going back to gas or diesel and within the timeframe scout comes online battery tech maybe at the 500 mile range and that's a game changer for many aspects and homeowners