EREV F-150 Lightning Announced - new Terra competitor

Lucky Logan · Monday at 1:50 PM

Looks like Scout Terra Harvester EREV just got a new rival -- the F-150 Lightning EREV

See Ford announcement:
https://www.f150lightningforum.com/...of-f-150-lightning-erev-next-gen-model.33426/

joewilk45 · Monday at 1:53 PM

Pretty soon they'll be sticking Erev's in us old folk

fistswithyat0es · Monday at 3:37 PM

it was just a matter of time before this started happening. its too brilliant an idea for existing manufacturers to ignore when they are in need of innovation. guess Scout is onto something

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OlyScout · Monday at 3:38 PM

Appears there’s a little more to this. Ford took a big hit (see article link below or Google “Ford take $19.5 billion hit”) on its EV line-up and pivoting to this variant. Still, love the competition to keep innovation moving forward!

https://www.theguardian.com/business/2025/dec/15/ford-electric-vehicles-trump

WXman · Monday at 4:02 PM

Ford was already being sued by suppliers over the delay to the "T3" replacement for the Lightning. Now that they have cancelled Lightning AND the T3 replacement I'm guessing those suppliers are going to be livid. That's going to cost Ford money too.

EREV is brilliant. All the EV benefits but without the drawbacks of range, finding chargers, and getting a truck and trailer physically close enough to a charger.

joewilk45 · Monday at 5:12 PM

EREV's have been around Volvo plug in's etc. but once Battery technology reaches 500 mile range EREV's won't be the choice of many.

WXman · 2025-12-16T04:35:56-0800

What is interesting is that roughly two weeks prior to yesterday’s announcement, I got a survey about the F-150 Lightning that I assume most owners also received and it came from a third party who was clearly contracted by Ford to gather data on owners’ opinions of the truck. The survey asked specific questions about how the truck was being used, and about which things needed to be improved. I remember towing being a topic that came up frequently during that survey.

It does make me curious if Ford had that done because they wanted to use the data in the decisions that ultimately were made yesterday. The survey was all Web based and so the statistics and data from it would have been available real-time to compile into a report to quickly give to shareholders and upper management.

I heard Farley say that from now on EV tech will be pushed to smaller vehicles used primarily for commuting while full size trucks will be given powertrains that can tow more efficiently and for longer distances. I just have to believe that all the survey data coming in from owners of Lightning trucks pushed that decision.

peters43 · 2025-12-16T06:44:00-0800

Lucky Logan said:
Looks like Scout Traveler Harvester EREV just got a new rival -- the F-150 Lightning EREV

See Ford announcement:
https://www.f150lightningforum.com/...of-f-150-lightning-erev-next-gen-model.33426/

Actually a Terra competitor, not Traveler.

VolInGa · 2025-12-16T10:19:37-0800

Toyota has had this right from the jump when they said they wouldn’t commit to full EVs several years ago.

WXman · 2025-12-16T15:42:19-0800

VolInGa said:
Toyota has had this right from the jump when they said they wouldn’t commit to full EVs several years ago.

Exactly. They committed to building junk engines for the Tundra that are still being recalled, and junk transmissions for the Tacoma that are failing left and right, but at least they did avoid the EV drama.

bababooey · 2025-12-16T17:14:26-0800

WXman said:
I heard Farley say that from now on EV tech will be pushed to smaller vehicles used primarily for commuting while full size trucks will be given powertrains that can tow more efficiently and for longer distances.

“Tow more efficiently” is corporate code for we can’t recharge 1,000 lbs of batteries in 5 minutes.
Electric motors are ~90% efficient, gas is ~25%, and this entire pivot is for the ~7% of truck owners who actually tow often while the rest cosplay Home Depot once a year.

bababooey · 2025-12-16T17:52:37-0800

WXman said:
What is interesting is that roughly two weeks prior to yesterday’s announcement, I got a survey about the F-150 Lightning that I assume most owners also received and it came from a third party who was clearly contracted by Ford to gather data on owners’ opinions of the truck. The survey asked specific questions about how the truck was being used, and about which things needed to be improved. I remember towing being a topic that came up frequently during that survey.

Wild theory, but I don’t think Ford needs a SurveyMonkey to know how people use a Lightning. The truck phones home constantly — they know when you’re towing, how heavy, how often, where you charge, and whether it’s L1, L2, or DCFC. That survey wasn’t to learn the data, it was to see how owners feel about the data they already have. Big difference.

Mousehunter · 2025-12-17T00:59:36-0800

I seriously doubt it will be a direct competitor to the Terra - more of a direct competitor to the Dodge is what I expect. I am betting Ford will go with a big generator so they can brag about its ability to tow. Scout is going more for efficiency.

In general I don't think EREV is a long term solution for most applications. Battery tech is improving (faster charging and lighter weight), charging access is improving as well. EREV's may have an application for towing however. Ships, trains, tractors (as in 18 wheeler trucks), and maybe 3/4 ton and larger trucks. So I don't think they will be great for all applications, but in this one - I can see Ford covering their rear. That said, Ford has not mentioned a 3/4 ton (or larger) yet.

4sallypat · 2025-12-17T05:42:30-0800

Having had a F150 Lightning for a year, I can say that I was an early adopter.

If I had lived in rural America, it would be perfect for me.

I am so glad I was able to get back more than what I paid for it when I traded her in.

Waiting for the Terra!

WXman · 2025-12-17T10:06:41-0800

bababooey said:
“Tow more efficiently” is corporate code for we can’t recharge 1,000 lbs of batteries in 5 minutes.
Electric motors are ~90% efficient, gas is ~25%, and this entire pivot is for the ~7% of truck owners who actually tow often while the rest cosplay Home Depot once a year.

Yet, when I tow my 26' enclosed trailer with a gasoline truck I get 10 MPG. And when I tow the same trailer with the Lightning I get 0.6 mi/kWh which at current energy prices is equivalent to around 3.5 MPG.

So, charge speed is half of the problem. Efficiency is the other half.

bababooey said:
Wild theory, but I don’t think Ford needs a SurveyMonkey to know how people use a Lightning. The truck phones home constantly — they know when you’re towing, how heavy, how often, where you charge, and whether it’s L1, L2, or DCFC. That survey wasn’t to learn the data, it was to see how owners feel about the data they already have. Big difference.

True. When I got this truck, first thing I did was go to the LexisNexis website and fill out the form requesting that they suppress the collection of my personal information. That's the company that sells personal data, even to insurance companies who can then use it to rate your policy. I don't want any part of that invasion of privacy, so I requested that they STOP collecting data on me. I also turned off some privacy settings in the infotainment screen.

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