Scout has 150K+ reservations now. 85% are for Harvester EREV Hybrid

[Agatl1]

I switched from an EREV to a BEV reservation once I saw how reduced the electric only range was on the EREV. I wonder how many of the 150k reservations are active on this forum and know that.

In my specific point of view if I have the BEV I can stop and charge it full while on a road trip. With the EREV it isn’t as feasible because you have to fill the tank and also charge the battery for full range. Just filling up the tank gives you reduced total range.

I have a PHEV currently so my current daily commute is covered by the battery but I experience the reduced range on road trips after the initial charge and tank is depleted. Also I have the gas engine maintenance to deal with in addition to the occasional Fuel and Oil Refresh mode if I’ve only been using electric for a while. Finally the ability to use the vehicle as battery backup for the house is diminished with the smaller battery.

When I originally hear about the Harvester option I was excited about it being and add-on without really considering there would be a trade off, but the more I think about it the less sense it makes for my specific use-cases.

Same here. I switched my reservation to the erev about a month ago, and now I'm going to switch it back as I've thought about it. A big component of the joy of an electric is just the the near absolute lack of maintenance required. And in my case, even though 90% of my miles would be inside the battery capacity of the erev, now I have to worry about gasoline sitting in the tank for 2 or 3 months and getting stale.

 

[joewilk45]

This battery swap thing is cool but I'm looking at if manufacturers can make batteries interchangeable and this easy cost should be very affordable

 

[mcm4ss]

I now have two. One is EV only.

 

[Bender]

It's unreal how oblivious the top brass at car companies are. The guy didn't know that U.S. buyers prefer gasoline? Is he serious?

If they had a third option: full ICE, you would see 90% of orders for THAT version, 8% EREV, and 2% EV.

I don’t think Scout has the capital to add engineering and manufacturing for an ICE drivetrain.

The ICE market is filled with Broncos, Wranglers, 4Runners, Land Cruisers and a buncha pickup trucks. Meanwhile the EV market has Rivians and Hummers and the EREV has nobody. Gotta go where the market is going, not where it’s been

 

[nittspike]

Check this out no range anxiety here

I visit China a few times a year for business and my direct report rents/owns Nio. Nice cars and range. The battery swap concept is pretty neat. Pull up and the car battery shed talk. The car then goes hands free and basically backs into the shed and connects.ie passive shut down/sleep mode. There is a small battery for minor lights or if ac/fan on. Floor opens, some ratchet mechanism unbolts the battery pack, it gets lowered and then another rolls under and gets installed and ratcheted to the correct torque spec. Car then turns back on and off you go. Total time is about 6-7 mins tops. They set these sheds up in various spots, like warehpuse areas or unused older factory lots, hotel, shopping districts, and older non used gas stations. However, there is a big flaw that i personally experienced when changing the battery. If for any reason the ratchet bolt mechanism disengages or does not torque in properly, you are stuck. The vehicle will not turn on, there was no way to manually re-start. We got stuck for about 3hrs and had a Mio service guy come out. The reset button is designed under the front hood, but behind one of the headlights. It was near impossible to get to without somehow removing the front quarter panel and front end which is all one piece! Guy was literally inside the frunk and pulling stuff out.This all happened about 2yrs ago so they may have changed that lockout functionality. I am heading there in April and will adk. Running joke with my report was China not happy I saw that mistake and i may not clear passport control when i tried to leave . I did tell my direct, he can still rent that car when I come back but if he needs to change battery, do it when i am back in the hotel in evening.

 

[cptcolo]

Well, first of all these batteries don't degrade that fast. F-150 Lightning owners at 4 years and 150,000 miles have reported battery health above 90%.

Secondly the entire purpose of the onboard engine is to keep the battery pack charged. So you won't be charging the truck manually often at all with the EREV. It'll drive in full electric mode most of the time and all you've got to do is put gas in it once per month.

It really is the best way to go. And, it should cost less because the battery pack is the main cost of the vehicle, so the full BEV version will be heavy and expensive.

I have a 2023 X5 45e PHEV. With a plug-in hybrid (or EREV), slight range degradation is not nearly as much of an issue because you have the gas engine to fall back on. I get around 31 miles of real world range with my car, 60% of the miles have been in pure electric mode, and my overall gas mileage has been around 46mpg. The harvester EREV version of the Scout is rumored to have at least 100 miles of real world range, which would mean nearly all local trips would be covered by the electric range and it would only be long work trips, road trips, off road trips, and modest range towing / hauling where you would need the gas generator. Personally I would estimate that around 75% or more of my miles would be in pure EV mod. I do make ~350 mile trips for work at least once a month and typically do a few road trips a year so it would get used. I would certainly want my Scout to be able to do all those things I want to do with it without having to worry about charging, so I would have zero interest in pure EV version.

Both the pure electric and harvester EREV versions of the Scout support 800-volt architecture designed for up to 350 kW DC fast charging, so for road trips you could even fast charge it as well as using gas engine generator (this is an awesome feature).

 

[cptcolo]

I've also wondered this about the EREV...

In my 4XE, the electric-only would be disabled due to it going into Fuel/Oil Refresh mode.
I know the Scout won't be able to completely disable running on the battery but will it go into a mode that requires the generator to run if it hasn't in a while?

If the battery lasts 150 miles on a charge and you only drive short distances per day, theoretically that generator wouldn't be needed but now months later you have a longer road trip...
If that engine hasn't kicked on in months and now it's needed, you're running old gas and oil that has been stagnant. I'm assuming that the software will require these generators to crank up whether they are needed due to battery charge status or not.

I assume you would be able to manually turn on the engine with the flick of a switch or push of button to put it into hybrid mode. Most PHEVs have such an option. My PHEV ('23 BMW X5 45e) you just flick the shifter to the left and gas engine with power on. You can also put it in sport mode and it stays on all the time.