EREV battery capacity deploying 6x faster than BEVs. Implications for Harvester?

[timmyhil]

Yes, exactly what we've been discussing. We'll see if that's what actually makes it to market when the vehicle actually exists as a mass produced vehicle.

I asked him a follow up question, asking if the range would/could be lower and Jamie said if anything it would be more due to development of batteries and EV motors and how they modify the VW engine (since its most likely apart of the VW modular system) by the time it comes outs.

 

[smboogie]

Interesting, I could see closer to 200mi EV range w/extender to get over 500mi by the time they are near production but never know. The technology and optimization seems to be a daily change.

 

[JesseS]

NO! The Harvester vehicle has a 500 mile Range, but the battery capacity is smaller because the harvester takes up battery space. The harvester will kick in when battery capacity reaches 100 or 150mi, using gas.

A non-harvester vehicle has the full size 350 mile battery, and it's range is 350 miles before charging.

So the Harvester vehicle can go further using both battery and engine. However, the electric battery range of the Harvester vehicle is an estimated 150 miles, meaning it's EV-only capacity is compromised by the presence of the Harvester Range Extender.

Compromises! The problem is, right now, the exact range numbers are unknown, meaning we're all guessing the relative merits of the Range Extender. It's presence means that, with less battery capacity, it will use more gas, because it will come on more.

It is also unknown whether Scout will find a way to fit more battery in the truck than the SUV. And keep in mind, batteries are expensive.

You might want to read my post again, this time with your comprehension filter off.

 

[EREV4all]

To keep adding a larger battery does not seem elegant to me. I’m all for the generator. Hoping I can use the car just like an ice car. I had a Chevy Volt and once the novelty of charging wore off after two months, I just put gas in it and never plugged it in for the remainder of ownership.

I hope the generator can keep up with the demands of the car and there are no compromises.

All depends on daily drive, had 2016 Volt 2 years, filled up only once with gas, was awesome getting 55 miles EV daily no maintenance and 110v charging, EREV with 150+ miles EV range is way to go. 2 Tesla's (best software & charging) later now Rivian R1T, Terra EREV on order

 

[randyrama]

For what it is worth, from my initial understanding and discussions with Scout Support, I am pretty sure that battery will supply 350 miles of range (approx.) and the Harvester will extend it by (approx) 150 miles.

 

[joewilk45]

That was my understanding as well

 

[JesseS]

For what it is worth, from my initial understanding and discussions with Scout Support, I am pretty sure that battery will supply 350 miles of range (approx.) and the Harvester will extend it by (approx) 150 miles.

This is interesting, everything I have read, and the info coming out of CES Vegas, shows the BEV with 350 miles range, and the Harvester (with smaller battery due to extender) having 150 on battery and 350 more on harvester for 500 miles. I guess we will have to just wait for official spec's from Scout.

 

[SpaceEVDriver]

It's easy to experience high percent growth when there's minimal previous capacity.

Growth of 18% of BEV capacity on 552 GWh is almost 100 GWh.
Growth of 71% of PHEV + EREV capacity on GWh is 82 GWh.
Growth of 115% of EREV alone is 47 GWh.

 

[Edb]

Glad we have options, I'm the opposite actually. All I want is the all-electric version and for it to have 300 miles or so of honest-to-god highway/cold weather range. I have zero interest in the Harvester if I can get that.

Just from my experience after owning a R1T- take 20% off the top of all these electric cars my current model Y included those estimates are BEST case scenarios. Add cold weather and god forbid a trailer of any size and it goes way down from there. You will be lucky to average 240-250 miles in normal driving keeping up with todays traffic.

 

[MC242x]

Just from my experience after owning a R1T- take 20% off the top of all these electric cars my current model Y included those estimates are BEST case scenarios. Add cold weather and god forbid a trailer of any size and it goes way down from there. You will be lucky to average 240-250 miles in normal driving keeping up with todays traffic.

I live in San Diego and daily drive a 2024 EV6. Average 3.9mi/KwH (8k miles so far). I think 300 miles is reasonable to ask, especially given how cheap batteries are getting - so put a decent size battery pack in there Scout!

 

[gimesnow]

Heres the “facts” about the harvester from jamie

For me, 150 miles on battery and 350 on gas sounds great. Provided I could fill the tank and continue without losing performance. Even with a low battery.

With the EREV, 150 miles on battery would cover 90% of my use. Other times, even the BEV's 350 miles wouldn't be enough. I often pull a trailer, so mileage ratings would be a lot less.

Some areas I go have no electricity, let alone charging infrastructure. I can carry extra gas easier than additional electricity.

Hopefully, the EREV's reduced battery size offsets the weight of the Harvester system. Heavy weight is not your friend off road.

 

[joewilk45]

Can't wait to see feel touch drive and turn the reservation into an order

 

[dleepnw]

150 miles on battery only seems like sweet spot for daily driving for most people, though thats impacted by the battery chemistry. if its LFP then you'll be able to charge it fully to 100% daily without much worry about battery degradation. if its NMC, then ideally you want to keep the state of charge between 20-80%, which means real world you'll get ~110 miles of range before needing a charge. for cold weather folks, this may not be a sweet spot though as we know the battery range is going to reduce range quite a bit. for those who want to run battery only daily this is going to matter, for those who dont care, it wont.

i suspect the size/range of the battery is going to be dependent on how the EREV works. lets say youre road tripping. what we know is the EREV model will get 500 miles of range but does that mean you can get that continuously? can i drive 500 miles in one shot without refueling or charging? if the answer is yes, then it might be fine as is. if the answer is no, then either they need to increase the battery or increase the speed at which the engine charges the battery.

many unanswered questions.

 

[joewilk45]

150 miles on battery only seems like sweet spot for daily driving for most people, though thats impacted by the battery chemistry. if its LFP then you'll be able to charge it fully to 100% daily without much worry about battery degradation. if its NMC, then ideally you want to keep the state of charge between 20-80%, which means real world you'll get ~110 miles of range before needing a charge. for cold weather folks, this may not be a sweet spot though as we know the battery range is going to reduce range quite a bit. for those who want to run battery only daily this is going to matter, for those who dont care, it wont.

i suspect the size/range of the battery is going to be dependent on how the EREV works. lets say youre road tripping. what we know is the EREV model will get 500 miles of range but does that mean you can get that continuously? can i drive 500 miles in one shot without refueling or charging? if the answer is yes, then it might be fine as is. if the answer is no, then either they need to increase the battery or increase the speed at which the engine charges the battery.

many unanswered questions.

It's like a mini series on Netflix it's going to take two yrs to know . Most likely specifics in a year once we place our official orders maybe they send us a hat once our check clears and then we track our orders progress. This Vehicle better be the woman I've been waiting for because I've seen what's behind the window and I want it and the journey is one of excitement. Hope to see some of you in SC or a trail

 

[maynard]

There are about 5 out testing as we speak. One of them is in Michigan, and the other are undisclosed. So idk if i would say they don't exist yet.

Michiganders need to be on the look out! Post if you see it!